Ep: 028 "Gates & Comics" Featuring Tim

[00:00:00] I think I'm saying that we struggle all our lives to answer it. But it's the struggle that is important. That's what helps us to define our place in the universe. This is Beverly, Dr. Beverly, Dr. Beverly Crusher. Honest. Forceful. Trusting. Brilliant. Strong. Adventurous. And this is Crusher Convo.

[00:00:30] Hey guys, and welcome to Crusher Convo where we are crushing the conversation one episode at a time. I am so stoked for this topic as I sit down with Tim from FSF Popcast to discuss Gates McFadden's new roles in the comic universe.

[00:00:44] So welcome Tim and thanks for joining me today. Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here. We have definitely are going to have fun with this topic as everyone knows. I mean, Tim is a nerd, right? He knows his comics. He knows his stuff.

[00:01:00] I mean, it's what is it? So see we get my video here all nerdy. No dirty. All right. So definitely excited about this topic. I am a huge X-Men fan as you can see with my shirt.

[00:01:11] So when I heard that Gates McFadden got to be on X-Men, I lost my mind, but we'll get that in a second. So first I'm going ahead to discuss her voice work. So she's done a few things these last few years, especially in the 90s.

[00:01:28] She was definitely doing the video games. She was of course on Prodigy as Beverly Crusher and it was awesome. She did the Star Trek very short treks, which was very disgusting, but I sat through it and got through it for her sake.

[00:01:45] She was also she also is a 911 operator in a TV series called Scary Endings. She was of course Queen Marlena in the He-Man Masters of the Universe Revolution. That is a mouthful, but she wasn't the only one that was in He-Man. There was also William Shatner.

[00:02:03] There was John Delancey. There was Tony Todd. We also had Meg Foster, which I am a fan and she was on DS9 in the episode news. But she I know her from as Hera from Xenus.

[00:02:17] I grew up with Meg and of course Star Wars, you know, Legend Mark Hamill. That's very exciting. It was just a star studded cast, but I really want to talk about her role as Mother Eskami in X-Men. We have no quarrel with you.

[00:02:36] You're along way from Crest Coast, Safian cast. My name is Jean Grey. This is my husband Scott Summers. You may call me Mother Eskami, leader of Clan Eskami. I sense no need to be afraid. Nathan, come. Can I just say real quick that background music?

[00:03:03] I loved the music. I kept replaying it just for the music alone. It was so awesome. How was your reaction when you broke the news to me so that I wouldn't pass out when I watched it? Thank you for the warning. It was greatly appreciated.

[00:03:23] I want you to be able to enjoy the episode not as a puddle on the floor. Exactly. What was your reaction? Did you go like, wait, I know that voice? A little bit. I'm not the world's biggest Star Trek fan as much as Jesse is here.

[00:03:42] I enjoy Star Trek. Let's not get this twisted. I watch it. I enjoy it. There are times when I hear different voices and I go, that sounds real.

[00:03:53] That's why I went looking in this because as soon as I heard her voice, I was like, that sounds really familiar. So I waited for the credits because I wanted to see who it was. I was like, who's playing Mother Iskani? That voice sounds really familiar.

[00:04:06] And as soon as I said Gates McFadden, I was like, that's why. Okay. I know that voice. I knew I knew that voice. And that's why I was like, I think I was pretty good because I try really hard not to be the guy that gives spoilers.

[00:04:24] I think all I told you was that she was in the episode. I don't think I told you where or how or... You didn't say who she was or what.

[00:04:32] I think you said something of the effect of like, the Bev heads are going to love it or something like that. And that's what I was all like, wait a second. What? Now she did mention in a convention last year that she was doing a Marvel project. Right.

[00:04:50] Okay. So we already kind of had an idea that she was going to be doing. Well, I can't speak for everybody. But for me, I was really hoping it was going to be excellent.

[00:05:00] So when you mentioned that, I was all like, yeah, because I'm like watching every episode, like, okay, is this what... Is she going to be in this one? I don't know what's going to happen.

[00:05:07] And, you know, I mentioned this before and I think you were part of the joke when Picard season three was out and there was an image of her and Picard. And it was all like Charles Xavier went to the future to help, you know, hold the road.

[00:05:23] And, you know, that's where it got me excited. I was like, man, she would be awesome in some kind of comic. It didn't have to be X-Men, but some kind of comic, something Marvel DC didn't really matter. But yeah, when I saw that, I was so stoked.

[00:05:41] Have you been an X-Men fan for a long time? Are you just a casual fan? When I was a kid, I was much more of an X-Men fan than I was probably in my 20s or 30s because things kind of dissipated for a while there.

[00:05:56] There was this great expanse of not having X-Men, you know, other than comics. And by the time I was in my early 20s, early to mid 20s, I had a couple kids that was working full-time.

[00:06:09] I was not reading the comics as much as I did when I was younger. That being said, Wolverine has always been my favorite member of the X-Men.

[00:06:18] He still is, which made my interview with Cal Dodd even more exciting for me because that was the voice of Wolverine when I was growing up. That he is still the voice of Wolverine in X-Men 97. And, you know, and so all these different things.

[00:06:36] So I was, I loved the original animated series. I loved X-Men 97. It was so beautiful and soul crushing all at the same time. Just a couple of those episodes needed to come with an emotional damage warning. Sign a legal document.

[00:06:57] Right. If you'd like to watch this at the end of this episode. Tears will be shed. Are you okay with this? Please can, you know, digital consent. Yeah.

[00:07:06] But yeah, so I was excited, you know, growing up, you know, having read the comic books going from that, you know, playing the video games, reading the comics, going to the animated series and then transitioning from the animated series to the live action.

[00:07:21] The first iterations of the X-Men movies with Hugh Jackman and everyone. Yeah, those were always kind of a big deal to me. And I still want to say thank you to Eric and Julia Leewald who without them we probably would not have X-Men live action of any kind.

[00:07:41] Right. Because because without them we wouldn't have gotten the animated series without them we wouldn't have what we have today. So yeah, it just, yeah, that's always X-Men have always been kind of, you know, there is not a, I don't know how to best phrase this.

[00:07:57] Because it's certainly not a guilty pleasure, but they've always been outside of Star Wars. Star Wars is life to me if everybody hasn't watched my show Star Wars. I eat and breathe Star Wars on a daily basis.

[00:08:10] There's an IV hiding before the camera where it says Star Wars. That's what my coffee cup is Darth Vader. I mean, you know, and most of the Funko pops behind me are Star Wars. Yeah. But almost like almost secondarily to them has been X-Men.

[00:08:30] And so I don't know as much of the lore and things when it comes to X-Men as I probably should because I just, I went from a place of in my teenage years I could have told you, oh this person is related to that person this person.

[00:08:45] But when you stop reading the comics after a certain point, it's kind of hard to jump back into them because you have to kind of like just pick a point and jump back in because some of the comics, they get a little Doctor Who-ish.

[00:08:58] They're a little kime-wimey, wibbly-wobbly. Wibbly-wobbly, yeah. Yeah. So you're just trying to go, I'm going to stick the landing here and I'm going to move forward from there. Yeah. Yeah. Because comics tend to like branch out into different sections, right?

[00:09:15] So there'll be one and then it will be, you know, this topic and this one and this one. They all connect in some way but they're telling a story in a different way.

[00:09:24] Like currently we're getting all this new Star Trek comics and right now we have like ones called Blood and Bones or something. There's another one that's called Defiant. And they all connect in the same story but they're all branching out in different sections.

[00:09:38] So that was kind of my issue growing up. I couldn't really keep up with the comic books but when X-Men came out as an animated series, it was like from what? 92 to 97, right? 95 to 97. Yeah.

[00:09:56] I was seven years old when it came out and when it stopped, I was like 12. So it was very important to me and it was something that my mom really enjoyed and my brother. My brother is a huge X-Men fan.

[00:10:10] He used to have those giant action figures of all of them, by the way, every single one. And Gambit was his favorite and I remember I wasn't allowed to touch him and so I used to touch him when he was at work and he never knew.

[00:10:22] But you know, it was just one of those things that we bonded over especially because the stories were really, really good. I mean, we had two parakeets that we named Phoenix and Saga. And it was just one of those things that we just enjoyed.

[00:10:37] So when the movies came out, I was super stoked. And of course, I wasn't into Star Trek. I didn't know Star Trek very well so I didn't know who Patrick Stewart was in that context.

[00:10:53] But he was born to play Charles Xavier just like Hugh Jackman was born to play Wolverine. Like all of these actors came and delivered and Storm and Rogue were my favorites. The only thing that I was upset about when it came to the movies was the Rogue storyline.

[00:11:11] I don't think that they really delivered it as well as they did in the animated series. Not even close. Not even close. And of course Gambit wasn't in it at all. And so there were hits, yeah, there was really good hits and a lot of misses.

[00:11:29] And of course we don't talk about the third one like that. There's a third one? Yeah. There's a third one? It's like with, you know, X-Men's Wolverine or his origin movie. That's, you know, I have some struggles with that as well.

[00:11:46] Mainly because what they freaking did to Deadpool. I can't talk about that because my blood pressure up. But I mean like Gambit's in that movie, but there's not enough of them and I'm like, there needs to be more. Yeah.

[00:11:58] It needs to be a, just give me a Gambit movie. Something. Yeah. Which I think in 97, don't watch episode five, but I think in a sense they did Gambit. It still hurts. That's the emotional damage you need to give to them. Yes, exactly.

[00:12:20] We at least got Gambit and he kicked butt and he was just. They crushed it. They really did. They did. And they're following that storyline because I think they're following that whole, you know, the Four Horsemen obviously, which in the comic books, Gambit is going to be death.

[00:12:38] Now that does lead me to a question that I have for you. So talking about X-Men, talking about you said you love Star Wars, but what was your favorite comic growing up?

[00:12:51] So there was a character for, and this has nothing to do with Star Wars or X-Men or anything along those lines. It was a character for Dark Horse Comics. And I want to say his name was Nighthawk. No, that's, that's Marvel Comics. I'm thinking of the wrong person.

[00:13:12] I got to look that up again, but there was a guy, one of my buddies was Nighthawk's basically Marvel's Batman. One of the people that was Marvel's Batman. That's a whole other topic. That's a whole other topic.

[00:13:27] But I got to look this up real quick, but there was a guy that was pretty similar to Nighthawk or at least in the name.

[00:13:34] But he was, and I feel really bad for not remembering his name, but like I'd go over to my buddy's house and I'd have my X-Men comics. And he would always have these Dark Horse comics that I wasn't allowed to buy.

[00:13:45] So that's why you went to a friend's house. I would go to my friend's house to read that particular story. And yeah, the Dark Horse comics back in the 90s were really rather like a revelation to me because yeah, I would just get into it.

[00:14:08] And this one guy, and this is really bugging me that I can't figure it out. I'm actually on Wikipedia page at the moment going down through the list. Trying to find it. Trying to do it.

[00:14:21] Trying to find it because it's driving me nuts and that I can't remember his name. I think I broke Tim. I'm so sorry guys. You broke the nerve. You kind of broke him.

[00:14:31] Because as you're looking, as you're looking for your favorite comic, I'll chime in a little bit real fast. So yeah, please take it out.

[00:14:38] One of the things that yeah, one of the things that I did love about the comic books is one of the first superheroes that I got into with Superman. And that was because my uncle was a very huge fan of Superman.

[00:14:51] So I know the lore, I know the movies. My favorite documentary was the Superman one that came out. I even have like that whole collection that has it. And I just really, really enjoyed but the comics that I actually really liked was Spider-Man.

[00:15:11] I don't know what it was maybe because he was a kid and he was a nerd and he was kind of an outcast. Like he was just one of those like, oh that could be me, right?

[00:15:21] I could have gotten bit by a spider and this could happen to me at one point. And I did love to take photos so I was all like, yeah, this is great. But like you said earlier, it was hard to keep track with the comics.

[00:15:35] So there was a lot that I missed and then I just couldn't figure it out. So thank you World Wide Web for helping me keep track about how all these stories lined up.

[00:15:48] And that's kind of how I learned about Mother Ascani because I wasn't into the comics at that time when they were doing the whole Rachel Summers series and then of course the alternate timelines, which is where she's from and then her becoming in the clan and everything.

[00:16:02] But I at least knew how important this character was. So when Gates came out and did her voice, I was all like, oh dear, here we go. Season two. Come on. Let's go. Let's go. Let's get it.

[00:16:17] And even when I had Josh for my Star Wars episode and you were in the chat, you guys were saying like this might be the little nudge to do that live action that we've been hoping for especially after Deadpool and everything like that.

[00:16:34] So yeah, that would be mine. Did you figure out that you find your... No. No and I'll find it later after we're done and I'll be pissed more than I am now. And we'll Instagram it. We'll put it on Twitter. It's fine.

[00:16:49] I will find it. I will find it but yeah. Yeah. It was a you know because I feel really bad because it might not even have been Dark Horse. That's the thing. I just got to find it.

[00:17:01] I should just love it when your childhood memories merge five different things all at once. Yeah. Oh goodness, I feel really bad for not knowing this. I feel bad for you on the spot.

[00:17:15] No, no, it's fine. It's a good test for my brain which apparently needs some help. Not saying the brain is broken but apparently the brain is broken. It's just a little broken. Just a smidge. Okay, so we have a hello from John and here's Kathleen.

[00:17:42] That's what happens when you get old. Your memories get blurry. Kathleen is a little subscribe. We're keeping it real but somehow ended up with... She's keeping it real. She's keeping you on your toes. That's what she's there for.

[00:17:58] Oh my goodness. Now, so this actually brings me on to my... For your thoughts. Here we go guys. So here was my question for everybody and I got a couple answers from people. What character do you want Gates to play when it comes to doing voiceover work?

[00:18:27] I feel like she's picked up a lot more in her voiceover work these last few years and she just has that great unique voice which is probably why a lot of people love her podcast

[00:18:38] which we'll talk a little bit later but I think this is just a really good... And she's done audiobooks. She's done a bunch of Star Trek books and she did Brent Spiner's book which is hilarious guys. If you have not read fan fiction, listen to the audiobook.

[00:18:59] It's fantastic. I cannot... It's just an amazing story. Real quick before I get into our choices for what we would like to see Gates. So John goes, yeah we all know that Tim's brain is broken. You built it.

[00:19:18] And Kathleen goes, you didn't want me but the universe said here take this. We don't want it. It's like the cat distribution system. The cat just kind of shows up at your house and you have to take it. Kathleen was part of the little sister distribution program so...

[00:19:32] That's basically how it worked out right? That's how it worked out. And ta-da! Here she is. Here she is. I love her because she's just... Kathleen is awesome. We love you Kathleen. But here was my choice. I think Poison Ivy. Interesting.

[00:19:53] And the reason being is because I really want to see Gates be a villain. We've kind of seen little smidgets of her being a villain in a couple of movies or like short movies. And I feel like Poison Ivy really has not gotten her due.

[00:20:13] We have seen her a lot in the comics but I don't think her character has ever been utilized in a way that we've seen more with like Harley Quinn. Or even Catwoman, right?

[00:20:25] And she's a very interesting character and I feel like if they were to go back into the animated Batman series and things like that, I think Gates could do a very, very delicious version of Poison Ivy.

[00:20:43] The only thing that I don't like about a couple of these characters and even Danny from her podcast, Cosmetic and Cosmetics, there we go. I can say this. She was talking about Harley Quinn and the one thing is about their obsession with the boy, right?

[00:21:03] Of course Poison Ivy has a crush on Batman but then she tries to kill him and there's this whole like, you know, that whole thing.

[00:21:08] And I'm just like, I really just want to see a badass female villain just, you know, like, I'm just doing my thing and no one can stop me. You know, that was kind of my decision about it. But yeah, I think Gates would be awesome with that one.

[00:21:28] But let's show every- I think she's got the voice quality for it. Yeah, for sure. She did this short movie called Finger where she did like a Southern accent and stuff like that but she was very creepy, you know?

[00:21:41] And it was just, it kept you engaged and of course at the very end it's like, oh my gosh. And she just walked away like it was just very well done. It was intense. So let me show everyone your choice. Lois Lane.

[00:21:55] Yeah, I thought that she'd be a cool choice as Lois Lane because now I'm banking this off a couple episodes in particular of Star Trek. And one of them is the one that I did for your show the last time I was on. The Neutral Zone.

[00:22:14] The Neutral Zone episode, yeah. And I loved her. She had these great little snarky comebacks and I was like, that's who Lois Lane is. She's a no-nonsense. I get the job done professional, all these different things but she's also got some great witty snarky comebacks.

[00:22:31] And I thought that based on a couple of different episodes and a couple of things that I've seen Gates play as Beverly Crusher, I thought she would, pardon the pun, crush it as Lois Lane because there are some similarities in the two personalities. Oh yeah.

[00:22:52] Both are very strong independent women able to do what they need to do in a man's environment, so to speak. They don't take any crap off anybody and they're going to get the job done.

[00:23:05] And along the way there's going to be some great one-liners, some zingers and it could be entertaining. And so I just thought, boy she would do really well in that role as in an animated setting where she's doing the voiceover for it.

[00:23:22] I thought, boy that'd be a great pick for her. And the other reason why I picked her is because I was pretty sure you were going to pick somebody else so I didn't pick that person. Did I not pick what you thought?

[00:23:33] No, I did not see point in my becoming, not even a little bit. Okay, so I'm curious. I thought you were going to pick Rogue from X-Men. That's too obvious. And then of course no one can top. Yeah, Lenore's on. So no one can top her.

[00:23:52] I love Gates. Don't get me wrong. No, she's right. Well, I thought about that because there's only Lenore says sugar the way that Lenore says sugar. And you know, that's like their only Caldad says, you know, bub, like Caldad says bub.

[00:24:10] However, I was thinking about this in alternate timelines because again, little wibbly wobbly timey whimey. I thought if you were to play an older version of Rogue. Okay. That Gates would be a good fit there. Yeah.

[00:24:29] Yeah, not the younger version of Rogue that we had where we have Lenore voice secret but right older version. But I think for me Gates would do wonderful as a live action versus the voiceover.

[00:24:44] That's why that image where we saw Beverly Picard and there was that like I could see that happening. Right. I could see that going forward now. John says if there is ever live action or animated version of the ISP director, a sane, a sard.

[00:25:02] I hope I'm saying that correctly. And the Star Wars universe, I think Gates would do a wonderful job. Yeah, you should probably look up her name and see the images of her. Yeah. She would. She would. Yeah.

[00:25:17] I mean there's a you know she's a she's a redhead with with a couple silver streaks in her hair. And yeah, which I feel like that's what we did with Queen Marlena. Like they added the silver streaks. I was like that's for Gates. Yeah.

[00:25:37] But now to kind of go back to your lowest lane pick, we've had a lot and that's an understatement live versions of lowest lanes. So of course the very first would be Noel Neil and then Phyllis Coates and then

[00:25:51] we had Margot Kidder and Terry Hatcher and of course Erica Drance and you know Katie Bowsworth, you know, Amy Adams and then recently it's a bitsy two lock right which I haven't got into.

[00:26:07] I need to but we've had a lot of different versions of the one in lowest Superman right? Yes. Yeah. And she also did Grim which is what I know her from. Right. What is interesting they all brought their own different versions of lowest lane right now.

[00:26:26] Of course Noel Neil brought started it all when it came to the live action and then everyone kind of did their own version of it. And of course my version that I absolutely adore and love to dad this Margot Kidder's because that's what I grew up with. Absolutely.

[00:26:40] But how would you think that Gates would fit into that mold? Not of course not live action but just how they've kind of paved the way of how lowest is or even the voice actors that have done all the animated

[00:26:51] series and even the recent ones that have come out. Well I think that any actor who's going to take on a role that's iconic and this is an iconic role. Right. You know you have to know that you're going to be compared to anyone who's done it beforehand.

[00:27:07] So whether live action or animated you're going to be compared to people who came before you in some form or fashion and I think with that in mind you have to be willing to just say you know what I'm going to take this on my way.

[00:27:23] I'm going to do it my way because I think unless you're doing a voice match, unless she was coming in to do a voice match for somebody else, I think the mistake would be to try to make herself a Margot Kidder

[00:27:34] or make yourself an Amy Adams or make yourself somebody else. I think one of the strengths of any actor who is being put into a position like this is that they have to come in and just be that person. You can't be anything like that.

[00:27:50] And I look at the different Spider-Man that we've had even through you know you've got Toby McGuire and you've got Andrew Garfield and you've got Tom Holland. They're all three play Spider-Man very differently but they're all Spider-Man and we love each one of them for different reasons

[00:28:05] in the way that they present them. And so I think it's the same when it comes to Gates in this instance. I think if you were to do it, I would want her to take her own take at it, her own run at it.

[00:28:17] And I think that, yeah because I think that it would do herself a disservice because she is such a good actor to try and be something that somebody else has already done. And I think that with her unique set of skills would give

[00:28:36] us a different lowest than what we've ever had before. Yeah, it would be almost, and this is no slight to any of the actresses who have come before her. But something about Gates and the way that she performs Beverly Crusher, there's an error of, there's a dignity

[00:28:58] and a professionalism in the way that she carries out that role. And I think that there would be, that is something that we really haven't seen in a lowest lane. I think honestly the one that was probably the closest to

[00:29:14] showing a professional side of it was probably in my opinion Amy Adams. You know, there was enough other issues with the Batman versus Superman movies and some other things there in the Snyderverse. But I thought that she did a really good job of being

[00:29:33] out of the character or out of the mold for that character. She wasn't, she didn't have brunette hair, she was a redhead. And she, you know, all these things that were different than what we think about when we see lowest lane.

[00:29:47] And so she took a different approach and I would like to see that same type of different approach from Gates in this instance. Right. If she were able to do it. If she was able, yeah. And I think also Erica Durantz did a good job because

[00:30:02] they did such a different version with Superman's story in Smallville. Yeah. Right? Because it was before the cape. It was before that time in his life. It was about Clark. So to add Lois into that story prior to him becoming

[00:30:17] Superman, you know, Erica basically had to do a whole different version. It was like an alternate universe kind of thing. And I think she played it well being that snarky, you know, like you said, like how Beverly was in the

[00:30:30] neutral zone where she had those snarky comments and she had those comebacks and she was able to be all like much obliged after she got, you know, her little butt tapped. We don't like to talk about, but you know, there was

[00:30:43] those incidences where she just did it and she just went with it. Now it goes back to just how well in my opinion, I mean, it was five seconds, but for Mother Asconi, I mentioned this before. I'm pretty sure Gates has not read an X-Men comic

[00:31:01] just like Patrick had no idea who Charles Xavier was, but they were like, this is the character and she's like, I got this. No problem. And she delivered even in those five lines that she had and you got excited and you're like, oh my gosh,

[00:31:16] what's going to happen in season two? Like how is this Rachel Summers and with Nathan and everything going to play out? And of course they kind of made the character kind of look like Gates a little bit, like with the hair, you know, and I like when animators

[00:31:33] tend to put a little bit of the actor in the character. Right? Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, because it just makes it, yeah, it does and it also makes it more realistic, especially when you hear the voice. So like the voice matches the face.

[00:31:50] So yeah, I mean, like I said, I think she, I mean, I think Gates would do wonderful on anything she does, even if she doesn't know the history of a background of any character. She'll just be like, sure, I got this.

[00:32:06] I'll do it this way and I know her being with the background of being a director and even a professor and how she runs things. I'm sure she really took her time to make sure those five lines were going to be, you know, out of the ballpark.

[00:32:22] Now Kathleen has said something real fast that I like, yes, she says, I want Gates to just go up and Dr. Who's somewhere. Yes. Okay, I've been saying this forever. I was like, Wesley is a traveler and he does time

[00:32:41] and space and they already mentioned in this last Dr. Who that he's like, we got to go visit them sometimes. Please, please Russell T Davis, Stephen Moffitt. I don't care. Just got a way to make it happen. Go find, you know, instead of Star Trek

[00:32:57] legacy, let them just pop up over on the Enterprise G with Captain Seven and Rafi and Jack and then all of a sudden Beverly is visiting her son, you know, whatever. And then there's the 15th Doctor with Ruby and, you know, I mean, I would love that.

[00:33:14] I love crossovers and that would just be a dream of mine. That would be a lot of fun, I think. I agree. I think so. I don't think it happened on Dr. Who. Well, yeah. Well, that's the point of having it be time.

[00:33:29] You know, we'll do wildly timely. I mean, you got things to get to jump around like that. It's more fun for everybody. Exactly. So I did get a couple of responses from my penny for your thought. So CW did say that she thought cat women.

[00:33:45] Gates would do a good job as cat women. And then Kristen said wonder woman, which I could totally say I really could. And I think it's just because wonder woman, you know, like a Clark Kent was kind of playing, you know, that one sided very quiet.

[00:34:05] Like, you know, and then all of a sudden she's just this, you know, badass character. So I'm looking up at my wall of Funkos to see if there's another character that I think that she might be good at. That. And you guys can't see them all.

[00:34:22] There's a whole nother wall of Funkos over here. I'm looking at. I remember you show, I think you showed me a picture where it was like a continuation of that wall. I got one and all I just bought this and this is like my only fun co.

[00:34:37] Of Princess Leia. And it came with the t-shirt. I don't have that one. It was that target. I don't mean to like, you know, I'm not sponsored by target guys, but. I got to go to target more often. You never know what you might find.

[00:34:56] Honestly, you held up that Princess Leia. She would do a wonderful, she would do a wonderful like J general layer, Leia Organa, the older version of Leia. Yeah. Yeah. She'd be phenomenal at that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I mean it's. Be nominal.

[00:35:14] I think like, cause my like my heart is carry all the way, you know, but since we don't have carry anymore and if they were to do an animated series to kind of continue after with, you know, let's say between like before the force awakens. Right. Yeah.

[00:35:29] I think she would. She would crush it. Leia is another one that has had so many different voices give, you know, be her voice. You know, I just off the top of my head, there's Julie Dolan and a graves.

[00:35:43] There's Misty who I can't remember her last name right now. And there's at least two others that I could. Shelby Young has voiced her. And at least, at least two others that have voiced her. Yeah. So for me, it's, it's with all due respect to carry because carry

[00:36:02] is carry. But in order for that character to live on. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing because carry is carry. But in order for that character to live on, if there's,

[00:36:16] they're going to put her into anything, then, you know, you have to have somebody voice her. Can't, you know, because I sure as hell don't want it to be AI. I want an actual human voicing that. So in this instance, if they were to do something in the

[00:36:30] sequel trilogy era, something animated where there or a game or something where they would need voicing, that era, another person who's voiced that era as a Carolyn Hennessy. She's she does a wonderful job at it. But I think, I think gates of the stellar choice as well.

[00:36:46] I would love gates just to be in the Star Wars universe. Period. Right. I think, you know, for the longest time, I feel actors were kind of stuck to stay in a certain. Yeah. And and not even for just Star Wars or Star Trek,

[00:37:06] or even Marvel and DC. And like it's like, oh, well, you did, you did Star Trek. So your only Star Trek, right? So that's why I think seeing her do Marvel or even Patrick Stewart had done Marvel, right? It really expands just what they can do.

[00:37:26] Like I don't see X-Men and see Patrick Stewart playing Charles Xavier. I don't see Captain McCart. I see Charles Xavier, which is a very hard thing to do when you're playing an iconic character. You know, there was always that typecast like Christopher

[00:37:43] Reeve went through when he was Superman, you know, and it was very hard to get these different roles. But there was this movie. Oh dear, if I can try and remember this, my mom is going to kill me if I can't remember. I want to say it was.

[00:37:59] I want to say time after time, but that's a. I know what you're talking about. Yes. And shoot. And I had the medicine women. Jane Seymour in it. Phenomenal movie, phenomenal movie somewhere in time. Thank you. Somewhere in time. I got time right.

[00:38:24] So I think Chris Reeve Mackinaw Island because I'm from Michigan and it was that film was filmed in Mackinaw Island. Okay. Okay. So it was a wonderful film that not many people know about that you can be like. He separated himself from the Superman Cape. Okay.

[00:38:44] I think this movie came out in 84 or something like that. And but him and Jane became extraordinary friends. She named one of her twins after him and it's just a brilliant movie. They played off of each other so, so well. I recommend it completely.

[00:39:03] But as like I was saying earlier, as time has gone on, these actors have been able to just showcase what they can do, especially stage actors. They have to know to do 10 million different things because they have to play 10 million different characters

[00:39:18] and also when they're doing a live version of these plays every night, they have to do 10 million different versions of that play. So something you know with like Patrick Bean and the Shakespeare Royal Shakespeare Company and Gates doing clown

[00:39:36] and you know learning how to just do different things with choreography. You really get different versions and you really get new stuff even though it's an older character. Right? We've had Superman for 70 plus years, right? 80 years and it's nice to actually get a different

[00:39:58] version of it as much as I know some people are like, can we get new stuff? It's nice to have a nostalgia nice different take on these things. That's why I think X-Men 97 just they nailed it. They completely nailed it when it came to telling the stories

[00:40:18] of these characters. So I went on a tangent a little bit there. I'm very passionate about it. That's okay. That's okay. Now, I do want to mention real fast before we continue. I wanted to talk about real fast investigates which of course is Gates McFanning's podcast.

[00:40:42] She is having a season three. She had already started recording with a couple of her guests and so far from what we know, she's going to have Todd Staswick, Michelle Hurd, Sonika Martin-Green and David Ajalla. And so I'm really excited about the David one because

[00:41:01] I hadn't seen Discovery. I decided to watch a few episodes from the final season just to kind of see what was going on and it just happened to be a TNG flashback which I got excited for. But David was, he was cool. I liked Booker.

[00:41:21] I thought he was a pretty awesome character. But I've met Todd. Todd is fantastic. He's great. So I know that interview is going to be great. I've been a fan of Michelle Hurd's for the longest time. Since she was on Bones and I'm a huge Bones fan.

[00:41:37] I didn't know Sonika very much in The Walking Dead because I kind of trailed off from the show. But I know she was fantastic and she was great in Discovery. So I'm really looking forward to season three of Investigates. Now have you listened to Gates McFadden's podcast?

[00:41:53] I actually have. There was, I listened to a couple. He did one with John Billingsley. I listened to that before I had John on my show. And there was a couple others that were ones that I was hoping

[00:42:09] to get on the show that I haven't gotten on the show yet. But I'm working on those. Where I was like, oh, these ones might be fun to get. Yeah. So I have listened to a few episodes and I love the fact

[00:42:22] that most of the podcasts that I listen to, if I'm listening to something in my free time, is because it's a very relaxed conversation. And especially when she's talking to somebody else Star Trek where they're able to talk and they start talking about things that happened on set.

[00:42:43] And it's not necessarily that they're spilling the tea, so to speak, but they're just having a fun chat about things that happened and oh, how did you like working with this person or that person? And what did you think about this or that?

[00:42:57] And I find those conversations for myself. I think that those are really kind of cool because it's a laid back conversation. And I don't feel like anything, I don't feel like any of her conversations are forced. And I think that's probably the best,

[00:43:17] maybe the best credit I can give to somebody's podcast is that when I'm watching or listening rather, I don't ever feel like it's a forced conversation. Like another one was the Anson Mountain episode, I really liked that one. Clearly Anson hasn't been on my show yet, Anson.

[00:43:41] You can join me anytime. Yeah, exactly. More like Begg. But yeah, and the Jack Quaid interview was pretty good because Jack is Jack and he's a lot of fun. I love Tani's interview. That was lots of fun. They've grown to have this really great friendship, these two.

[00:44:09] I remember, I believe, oh, did it come out yet? I think it did. So I believe those old scientists had already come out before Vegas. And so I remember I was in line for Jonathan Frakes and he was the co-hoster signed in.

[00:44:26] Here comes Tani just walking up saying hello because that's what you do in Vegas. All the actors are just walking around and rubbing elbows with them. And I'm like a foot away from her because everything was kind of tight and he was saying hi.

[00:44:41] Well, Gates saw her coming. She left her table, walked over and was like, oh no, no, no, she's mine. Like all of a sudden Jonathan and Gates were fighting over Tani. I'm like, oh, she's my best friend. Oh, she's my best friend. And I'm just watching this unfold.

[00:44:57] And I was like, this is such a cool Star Trek family. You know what I mean? There's like 13 different shows. How do I know how many different movies? It's like we're at 910 episodes and we have all these actors and they're just one big happy family.

[00:45:17] It's so cool to see that. Even when you're in the casino or at the bar and they're just hanging out with each other and chatting, you're just kind of watching. You're like, oh, that's so lovely. I love that. But yeah, it was loads of fun.

[00:45:35] I really did like Will Wheaton's episode. He's very comfortable with Gates, right? That's his space mom. And it was like hearing a mother-son conversation because we didn't get any of that between Leslie and Beverly. So it was a fresh air. But I think for them,

[00:45:55] he was very open. He was very raw and she was just there for him, like any mother would. So yeah, I really did enjoy that. And that makes sense because of Will's background, his own personal life and what he went through with his own parents.

[00:46:13] I mean, he identifies with Franks as basically his dad. He looked up to Jonathan Frakes and Gates or his parents. Oh, for sure. And I think I have such high respect for Will Wheaton because of how open he has been, especially these last 10 whatever years with his blog.

[00:46:40] He's been very open about his childhood and I remember he did the talk and it was Jerry. He goes, he's like, man, I'm sorry. It was just apologizing. And Will's like, why are you apologizing? He's like, I should have known you were going through that

[00:47:04] when we were doing Stand By Me. He had the best response where he was like, thank you for that, but you were 11. Yeah, you were a kid too. He was like, you were a kid. And I'm very good at hiding it. It's true.

[00:47:21] Any child that's going through that kind of abuse, they're very good at hiding it. Not even the adults, not even the T&G cast didn't even know that this was happening. They're like, yeah, we saw his parents on the set and we just thought everything was fine

[00:47:34] and it wasn't. So it's, and I think it's very therapeutic to be able to be open about all of that stuff. And I find it just inspiring, you know, in that aspect. So yeah, I think it was. One of the things that I appreciated most about him

[00:47:50] when I had a chance to talk with Will was that so he was coming, he came on our show during the time he was doing his book tour for Still Just a Geek. Now, the interesting thing about that book is that it was basically the first book

[00:48:03] just being reprinted, but he had put annotations in, he had made notes about things that had happened, comments and things that were, that he put in there even about castmates that were pretty, pretty rude and a couple of them. And he acknowledges that.

[00:48:22] The thing I thought that was great about that is that I think a lot of people would have tried to take those things out or they would have, you know, tried to cover them up in some way so that, oh yeah, well that's just not, you know,

[00:48:33] he acknowledged it. B, he steered into the skid and he talked about him at length and just like, yeah, he said things about the actress whose name I always grew up so I'm not gonna say it but it was, she played Troy. Mariana. Oh, Marina Sertis.

[00:48:52] Yeah, there it is, Marina. Marina Sertis, yeah. Yeah, I always say, I want to say, I always want to say Mariana which I know that's wrong. Marina, yeah. I mean, I could say her name but I can't say Jiggy. Jiggy, fair enough.

[00:49:06] But, you know, he made some comments about her in the first book and he went back and he has notations in the second book. You know, the second version of the book about why that was inappropriate and why it was wrong and he's owning up to it.

[00:49:20] And so I have more respect for somebody who, because we're all human, we're all going to say and do things that we shouldn't but I have more respect for someone like that when they are able to say, this is what I did, this is where I screwed up

[00:49:32] and this is why I'm owning it. And I love that about him and that always made a really big impression on me especially during the course of our conversation is just a couple different times he pointed to some of the stuff that, you know, like he's, you know,

[00:49:45] where I was like, yeah, you could have left that out and nobody probably would have been any of the wiser unless they had read the first book and memorized it clearly. But, you know, there was a lot of stuff

[00:49:59] in there where he was, you know, a young 20-year-old man and, you know, he says, not that that's an excuse but that's where my mind was and that's what I was doing and, you know, I said and did a lot of things I shouldn't have said

[00:50:13] and did so. Yeah. But I respected that and I think it's cool. Yeah, like you said, he was owning up to it. I mean, I think, you know, for me, I've done the same thing like I'm owning up to all the mistakes that I've made

[00:50:26] and I'm doing my best I can to be a better person and I've always even said that. I feel like I learned that from Gates because, you know, like her character, she was always this kind, compassionate person and a single mom and I related to that

[00:50:45] and even with Wil Wheaton, you know, my dad wasn't around and it's a very lonely feeling or it's hard to know that you have a parent that doesn't care for you, right? Because then you start thinking something is wrong with you

[00:51:00] and you have to go through a lot to realize it's not me, you know, so I... It was him. He's a jerk. I get that. Exactly. And I have a little bit better relationship with my dad because I got older. We kind of figured it out

[00:51:15] but, you know, it's not like a real father-daughter relationship and that's okay. That's just how it is. Part of it. So, yeah, exactly. And I think we'll... Doing that, I think probably inspired a lot of people to own up to not only their mistakes

[00:51:30] but also to be open about all that they've gone through. Exactly. So it's so refreshing to see and I do love your interview with Wil Wheaton. If you guys have not seen it, please go find it on FSF Popcast's YouTube page. It's there. It's great.

[00:51:46] It's also on your... You know, Spotify or Apple, wherever you want to listen but Lowe's a fun. I do remember the moon pie part and you lost your mind, Tim. Oh, that was perfect. That was exactly what I needed at that moment. Oh, man. You gotta say it.

[00:52:04] He's gotta say it. He's like, hello moon pie. And you're like, oh, that's it? I'm done. Bye. I'm done. We can shut this thing down. That's all I needed to hear. That's all we needed to hear. So... And done. And done.

[00:52:18] Now, do you have any last comments about Mother Ascani? So before we get close to ending here, do you have any comments about how you think Season 2 is going to play out? Oh, I think we're gonna spend a lot of time in the alternate world that we're in.

[00:52:34] World 811. That's where she's at. So I'm looking forward to seeing... Because in the comics, Mother Ascani is Rachel Summers. She's the daughter of those two. And so Nathan would be her little brother. And so, yeah, I am very curious to see how that all plays out,

[00:52:59] how that gets discussed. If it's... You know, talked about that, hey, in this world, I'm your child. This is what's happening. Mm-hmm. You know. So there's a lot there to unpack. So I'm curious if they're going to address it or if they're going to kind of,

[00:53:16] like, you know, dozey-do around it and leave that for another season. Right. But yeah, that's to me is one of the bigger things. I hope not. So the two things that I'm looking forward to in Season 2

[00:53:28] is how they handle that whole alternate world situation with a young Nathan, instead of Nathan having... Seeing him in Season 1 as Cable, but seeing him as a young Nathan at the end of the season. Season 2, because it's a comic book and no one's ever really dead.

[00:53:44] God damn it, bring me back my gambit. So... Oh, I think it's going to happen just... I'm hoping. It is a different way. And in one final parting shot, I figured out who my comic book guy was. Yay! I said he was like Batman.

[00:54:01] And there's reason for that is because he was on Dark Horse Comics. It's this guy. His name was just X. Oh! I know that guy. Yeah. And he was, for my parents, a little violent. And because he had no problem with killing the bad guy.

[00:54:21] And whether it was with his fists, a sword, the two-ling 45s that he had strapped to his hips, or the chains that he would just wrap around somebody's neck. So yeah. So he was a dexter. Yeah.

[00:54:37] And I wasn't allowed to read him at home, but that didn't apply at my buddy's house where that comic book got to live. And so yeah, I read that over there. Oh my gosh. Well, at least we figured it out. Now you can sleep soundly tonight.

[00:54:50] This was bugging the crap out of me. So yeah. You've been investigating. No pun intended this whole time. Investigates, yes. I was having my own version of Investigates over here. Oh man.

[00:55:02] But yeah, I knew that he, you know, because he works at night and he was like Batman-like. And that's why I went to Nighthawk. And I'm like, that's not right. And I knew it was Dark Horse Comics. I just had to go find it. I finally found it.

[00:55:14] Yeah. So there's that. That's funny. Oh man. Well, at least we figured out the mystery. We solved the mystery. We solved the mystery. Well, that's the redhead of Lert. And of course I am here to let you know next episode, which you guys already know.

[00:55:36] It is my interview with John Billings Lee that I am calling at night with lots. I have a lot of investigating to do because I haven't seen one episode of Enterprise, but that's fine. John's cool with it.

[00:55:52] I really want to try and tap into the Gates McFadden energy and make it more conversational. The only interview I've ever done was with Larry Nemechek. And I think I kind of did that a little bit. You know, I had some questions, but we had a good conversation.

[00:56:07] So I'm really excited about this, but I also wanted to throw in my next episode, which is happening two weeks after this one. And it is an interview with Dayton Ward.

[00:56:21] So this one is called The Ward of Star Trek because I feel like Dayton knows his stuff, right? And I love his books. We have amazing authors in the Star Trek universe. I met him in Salt Lake.

[00:56:36] We talked for like 30 minutes and he has a lot of pictures. So it's super exciting about this. This one is going to be dropping, I believe, on the 19th. And so, yeah, I cannot wait to have this interview with him. So he's really a great guy.

[00:57:00] Like I said, I talked to him for like 30 minutes and, you know, because I feel like him and James and David, they all did Coda, like the ending of that universe. Fantastic. And I remember I was like, you done amazing.

[00:57:17] I can't believe this and Beverly Crusher and he was like, oh, I'm so happy because, you know, you never know. Like we're going through right now with Star Wars fandom. You know, you piss people off really easily if you go off a little bit. You're breaking them more.

[00:57:31] Yeah, exactly. So he was very excited to hear that, especially for the Beverly Crusher fans. I mean, everyone, I don't know. I don't know any Crusher fan that does not love Coda and it's crushing because there are some scenes in there that it's a bit much.

[00:57:49] But anyways, but you have had the opportunity to talk to Dayton and John. So you got any advice for me? Help me out. With John just, he's more, he's, John's a wind up doll.

[00:58:04] He just kind of point, wind him up, point him in the right direction and let him go. He is unhinged in all the most beautiful of ways. And I adore John Billingsley. He's easy to adore. Let's put it that way.

[00:58:19] The more I talked with him, the more I was like, this guy's fantastic. And yeah, you just want to spend more time with him. He's just he's just that easy to get along with. And then Dayton has a very sharp wit, very good sense of humor.

[00:58:35] And he's, he's honestly very easy to talk to. So for you getting more into interviews, those are two perfect entries for you because John is going to help Terry and Dayton is going to give you some phenomenal responses. So yeah, no pressure. No pressure for you.

[00:58:56] They'll both do a good job for you. And yeah, they're just, they're just tons of fun. And you're absolutely right about Dayton. He knows his stuff. He knows Star Trek inside out up down right left. And there's, there's not anything that you can talk about.

[00:59:12] I don't think you're going to stump him if you tried. I would love for Dayton and Larry to have an interview together. Right. A trek off. You know, yeah, like have Dayton go on Larry show. That would just be amazing.

[00:59:24] We would all just be watching this happen and them talking about all the different Star Trek, you know, lore or canon or not canon or whatever you want to do. Absolutely. To make people's heads spin. But yeah, I'm excited.

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[01:00:50] Well, we are getting ready for every September. I know it's only June but we start we start prepping for this early. For the last three years, at least we have been part of the Monroe used to be pop best now it's the Monroe Comic Con in Monroe, Michigan.

[01:01:09] And we've helped promote the show promote the comic con we've helped run the panels in the panel room, along with our good are really good buddies from the three geeks podcast and the PVD cast.

[01:01:24] And so between the three of us are three pods we kind of we kind of run the panel room, and we interview people coming up for for that this year.

[01:01:36] One of the ones that I'm trying desperately to get on the show to promote the comic con is Clint Howard, who's coming to coming to Monroe.

[01:01:46] And they always have so he's got you know he's got a lot of Star Trek cred for his early days in US and.

[01:01:57] Strange new rules yeah yeah yeah he's got he's got all kinds of he's got all kinds of credit out there in the business, but yeah I'd like to talk to be able to talk with Clint that'd be really cool.

[01:02:07] But we have a couple of interviews booked for that and we have. Honestly we've we've got some really cool interviews coming up we just. But we just recently had Meredith Salinger who's the voice of bears Ophie on the show from Star Wars.

[01:02:24] And one of the things that I think that your audience will be in particular will be interested in is that next month in July we're interviewing. Aaron Walkey from Star Trek prodigy he's the one of the writers and producers of the show.

[01:02:45] Yeah Aaron on most social media so yeah I'm really excited about that we wanted to talk to him for a while, because honestly Star Trek prodigy is the first thing that I watched.

[01:02:57] And it kind of got me interested in I was like well if I like this I might like starting new worlds and then I watched strange new worlds which I went back and watched TOS and then I had enough of Captain Kirk and went to strange.

[01:03:07] To into next generation. Which is far better. Yeah yeah. Not to put down the original series but yeah yeah so yeah that's that's kind of where I came in at and so I really enjoyed prodigy because you know I looked at I was like well.

[01:03:28] I adore Star Wars clone wars. And I thought well if I can love an animated series that much for Star Wars maybe an animated series might help me with Star Trek and I love the first season of prodigy.

[01:03:42] And of course lower decks is lower decks and that has nothing to do with prodigy but it's amazing and then those animated series are one of the things that helped me go okay well Star Trek is not so bad let's check out strange new worlds and then I

[01:03:54] loved that show. Yeah I'm straight up addicted to strange new worlds so. The Pimaean Simmel let's get on the show. Exactly. Please. Hey Gates McFadden you know she's now doing Marvel and her podcast you can do it. I have faith in you Tim.

[01:04:11] I have great hopes that I'll be able to get them on the show but yeah so we've had a couple of really cool interviews.

[01:04:18] I'm working on a couple I don't want to say who they are because until they're finalized I don't want to say yeah this person's coming on the show and then have them not be. Right.

[01:04:29] You know but yeah a couple of really cool ones that have their toes in the Trek reverse so yeah we've always got something for everyone over on FSF Popcast. We've had a ton of Star Trek interviews so yeah definitely something your audience would I think enjoy.

[01:04:49] Look forward to. Now I'm definitely excited about your interview with Aaron every time I make a comment about Beverly Crusher because he brought Beverly back into Star Trek with the episode.

[01:05:01] Kobayashi and so I was it we're like oh thank you you know well and the and the brothers of course.

[01:05:09] I keep me like geez I wonder if Beverly will show up here because in this time period where prodigy is Beverly's like has like a toddler Jack and she's already out on her own and I'm all like anyway we might see it and he just does responses of like the eye emoji like just kind of looking over like what does that mean.

[01:05:31] He's just like watch season two and I'm like why you know so I don't want to get my hopes up which releases in just a couple days. I know I'm really excited. I'm going to be binge watching that show.

[01:05:45] Super excited but yeah thank you Tim though for coming on. Thank you. You fun. Thank you for being such a huge support for Crusher combo and yeah if you guys love all the nerdy stuff go hit their YouTube they got amazing content over there. Thank you.

[01:06:09] We try you know and of course Kathleen which is his other well. The trio right there's three of you in. Yeah yeah we also have been so. Yeah so sometimes and sometimes John he's our he's our he's our why in the vowel system.

[01:06:27] Tim Kathleen and Ben and sometimes John.

[01:06:32] That makes sense that makes sense but yeah loads of fun you know guys hit them up over there but yeah we're going to go ahead and sign off thank you to everyone who has been watching this whole time really appreciate it if you have any questions just hit us up but yeah thanks so much bye.

[01:06:51] You.