Ep: 025 "Beverly: Sith or Jedi?" Featuring Josh

[00:00:00] I think I'm saying that we struggle all our lives to answer it, but it's the struggle that is important That's what helps us to define our place in the universe This is a Beverly Dr. Beverly Dr. Dr. Beverly Crusher Honest forceful trusting brilliant strong adventurous

[00:00:26] And this is Crusher Convo Hello everyone and welcome to Crusher Convo where we are crushing the conversation one episode at a time I am your host Jesse and today I'm very excited because we are totally crossing the streams. I have Star Wars

[00:00:46] Enthusiasts closet Star Trek fan and host which is my own podcast. I have Josh with us today. Hey Josh Hey I'm good. I don't think I'm much of a closet Star Trek fan. People know that I like Star Trek I think they know now

[00:01:02] I feel like when you were on last season you were all like more Star Wars, but I did start with Star Trek, you know So yeah, I've always mentioned this before

[00:01:13] You were either you were always either or people were like you can't be Star Trek if your Star Wars or vice versa and My husband he loved both But he didn't know very many Star Trek fans so he had to be a closet Star Trek fan and

[00:01:28] Be able to to express his love for Star Wars, but The only two people that really knew about it was his best friend from high school and me Because he kept trying to get us to watch the next generation and you know, it took 20 years

[00:01:40] But I got there and now I'm the bigger fan. He's like I've created a monster so Now you guys have a good common ground you can nerd out together But I mean who's better Han Solo or Picard like it's just you know, I

[00:01:57] Would be hard for him. I shouldn't even put him in that predicament. I really shouldn't Outcoming I've been trying to get my husband on since I started That might be the episode to do that now I do have some questions for you Okay, so

[00:02:15] Where did it all begin? Where did your Star Wars and Star Trek journey begin? Hmm dang definitely when I was a child My dad was always really big into Star Trek so I watched next generation a lot when I was a kid never really understood it

[00:02:33] Always got bored You know, I wouldn't saw the movies with him like those mid 90s Star Trek movies with like insurrection First contact all that stuff right, but I was honestly introduced to Star Trek first and Had a you know, I liked it because my dad liked it

[00:02:53] He had the original I think first or first two seasons or something of the original series on VHS So I always watched the trouble with tribbles As a child that was one of my favorite episodes Right and and then my uncle my dad's brother actually

[00:03:11] So this is kind of funny because it was like my dad was Star Trek and my uncle was Star Wars He brought over the special editions One day It was a couple years before episode one came out

[00:03:22] They released the special editions of the original trilogy and he let me borrow it Which in in turn ended up me just keeping it Because I wouldn't stop watching a return of the Jedi was my absolute favorite Right, and so, you know that that really started my obsession

[00:03:41] I could understand Star Wars a little more, you know good guy saves girl fights bad guy blows up ship Excellent, but there's not not much else there, you know, and so right that started my love and then of course episode one

[00:03:54] I saw that in theaters. I think I was nine or ten I actually just took my step son to go see episode one because it was kind of like

[00:04:02] Nostalgic I was like, oh, right. I'm gonna take you to go see it too. And so I would say yeah It started this trick and then slowly evolved into Star Wars and that just kind of went from there, so I mean, I I understand that because when

[00:04:20] gosh my daughter I believe was seven or eight When the Force Awakens was coming out and I got excited because she ended up seeing that trailer and that got her excited to watch the original Star Wars So I remember taking her and she was

[00:04:38] She put little laya bun. She I got her this Vader t-shirt and a Batman cape Vader mask with laya buns there She is walking into the theater and that was so important to me like no matter how what I

[00:04:54] Experienced as a kid with my brother that was so special Right, and then even when her 10th birthday happened. It was around the last Jedi She wanted to have a Star Wars birthday and she dressed up as Ray

[00:05:07] And so I have this picture with and it's full-on costume Staff everything. That's awesome. So those were the memories that I I enjoy I did I did a Christmas card once where I'm like in a red riding hood cape

[00:05:21] But like I did like a full shot and I had a lightsaber and then she's in the back with her lightsaber as dressed as Vader laya whatever you want to call her and Oh

[00:05:31] That's so awesome. I love that and as much as much crap as I talk about the sequel trilogy The kids still love it and that's still what it was about right kids, right? And so having seeing you know the younglings

[00:05:44] You know fall in love with Ray and Kylo and stuff is really cool You know it's because it's still bringing them into the into the galaxy and exactly starting their obsession So which is kind of the same way that happens with Star Trek, right?

[00:05:58] Because when they read well when JJ decided to do him it brought a new fan base and then discovery came out and then more people Started watching him. So it's always good to keep these stories going because you're gonna be creating new fans, right?

[00:06:13] But you know sometimes it's just better to create different stories like we don't need to always hear about Skywalker We don't always need to hear about the card as much as I love them There are different different areas that we that we can explore in my opinion

[00:06:27] I don't know about yours. I'm I'm so excited for the acolyte to come out I'm just that reason alone for it to be a way from the Skywalker saga Exactly now what is it about Star Wars and Star Trek that you love so much?

[00:06:43] Um, I mean it's just a fantastical, you know they yeah, I love the adventures the the sense of heroism and just all the the mysticism of of Star Wars especially being able to use the force and like I feel like there's a I don't know a common

[00:07:05] Common hope between people in the Star Wars universe and people in the real world You know to want to do good and want to make sure that people are People are okay and stuff and as far as Star Trek goes. I love the exploration of it

[00:07:20] Want to do that. I want to explore space like that is something that I dreamed about you know going to different planets and meeting different species I Started the Facebook page probably 15 years ago called I totally believe in aliens and it's you know, I've always

[00:07:40] Yeah, I think I think that you know There's two different sides to both stories and they're so they're so similar But they're so different at the same time that You know you get you get different Satisfactions from each product

[00:07:57] Yeah, exactly, but it's similar how you mentioned for a better future and to have hope Right that is kind of the motto for both Star Wars and Star Trek. That's true when you you know and

[00:08:10] They're similar in a lot of ways and it's so funny when they're used to be you don't see it much And even more but back in the 90s. It was a battle between the two and I remember hearing a story I want to say it was I

[00:08:25] Want to say 99 when episode one came out Everyone was waiting in line and then that bunch of just Trekkies came up and just popped out and just starting Be like Star Trek and then there was like this yelling

[00:08:40] I heard that happened a lot all over the place a lot Yeah, or vice versa. So when they were going to see nemesis here come Star Wars fans, you know And that's just how it was now it was I think a lot of fun banter

[00:08:52] But I think some people took it way too seriously as we have discussed Star Wars fans are taking too seriously I don't I see it sometimes with Star Trek fans, but not as not as bad

[00:09:02] I think it's happening a little more lately now that Star Trek fans have more To watch and they have more to watch. You know what I mean Yeah, that is true that it has gotten

[00:09:13] Probably a little bit worse than I would have liked to see but I don't think it's a bad thing because the Products they're putting out are good. You know Picard. Yes, even with all of its shortcomings. It was still a fun watch Rage New Worlds has been awesome

[00:09:30] Discovery, you know, I mean, they're all really good even lower decks. You know, they're all amazing shows And that's that's another difference between Star Wars and Star Trek

[00:09:40] I feel like Star Trek content has just gradually gotten better and Star Wars content has gradually become a money grab. I Could see that I could totally say that yeah now

[00:09:54] Tell me about how you got into podcasting because it wasn't necessarily a Star Wars podcast, right? Oh, it was not It was it's originally I started the tweth my arm podcast that was in 2016 like that At 2015, I don't know. It's been almost 10 years since I started podcasting. I

[00:10:19] Honestly, I love talking to people and I started listening to you know podcast back then like pretty religiously I'd listen to a show called the weekly planet

[00:10:31] There's a show called rebel force radio. That's all like that one Star Wars the weekly planets are kind of a nerdy or like Marvel Star Wars Star Trek to talk about all of it And of course, you know, I I listened to what the Kevin Smith podcast whatever

[00:10:47] Whatever it was a little bit more underground and not as Huge as it is now and it just to me it always seemed like so much fun to just have a conversation with friends And so that's kind of how it started

[00:11:01] I got this gaudy 18 channel mixing board with the one microphone because it was all I could find my dad helped me with that he Loaned me his big mixing board because I needed something to record with you know, I got this shitty little laptop

[00:11:17] And just started making shows. I just would through the week I would find different stories to talk about and Fight some friends over we'd have some beers and just have a conversation. So That's that's how it started in that it gradually morphed into a lot more

[00:11:34] During COVID I had a network the twist my arm network where there was like six different shows in the network That's where sudden but inevitable started. It's where my Marvel podcast started. That's where quest me started

[00:11:48] And then you know code ended and so people didn't have time to do podcasts anymore or they went on to do their own shows and It just kind of shrunk back down to twist my arm. So I did a small reboot over this last year and this

[00:12:05] The whole premise of my show now is not just to have a conversation with people But I'm also twisting my listeners arms into checking out something that they might not have looked at before, you know Like right I interview bands. I interview small business owners

[00:12:20] I've interviewed like hairstylists like just kind of local people around the block that You might not normally see To kind of you know bring awareness to the smaller people so I Mean and that's how I started was the same thing

[00:12:40] Just barely. I mean you could say I got my arm twisted Watching Star Trek and I got so into it and I fell in love with Beverly Crusher and it was like I want to have conversations with people I want to hear their thoughts and

[00:12:52] Just have these ideas about her character Especially knowing that she was gonna be on the season 3 of Picard and it took off You know people just love talking about Beverly Crusher, but it was also just more in-depth

[00:13:03] And I like having those in-depth conversations because I think as kids We didn't notice it with like Star Wars and Star Trek But as adults were noticing like oh man this happened to this character

[00:13:15] And then they had to go through this part, you know, let's say Picard in the Borg Right. That was a violent Traumatic event that he went through and then he was still being a captain, but then he had PTSD at some point, you know We didn't

[00:13:33] Yeah exactly exactly and That's where I liked to kind of pick apart Beverly Crusher because her character is So unique in the way that You can literally put her character in any different universe in my opinion

[00:13:50] Right and this is kind of one of the reasons that I decided to do Star Wars was because that is what I grew up with That that is what I know

[00:13:57] But I could literally see her just being plucked over and she would fit in because that's just her personality Yeah And just the kind of character that she is now of course Beverly's origins she had this very Star Wars type

[00:14:16] History, you know her she was born on the moon That's no moon It's a space station It wasn't a space station, but it was just them, you know Luna her parents died at a young age

[00:14:30] They just said that she was a child so between what five and twelve or whatever She survived a planetary disaster on her Veta 3 She learned how to heal people with just you know plants and roots and things like that

[00:14:43] And so it was just very interesting that she went through a lot and then she decided to join an organization to go help people and explore and You know do new things and You can see her just in Star Wars just based on that stuff, right?

[00:15:02] So, you know, I remember you and she had two not one but two sons who were special so Jedi children, right Saying they had a midichlorian count. Is that what you're trying to say? Exactly. Yeah. I mean come on Wesley's a traveler of time and space

[00:15:19] You never know which means is Beverly special, you know It's just there was so much cause and effect is good example that Beverly was special something was going on there

[00:15:28] But you know, we didn't we only got very very tiny little stuff of her of her past like an arsenal freedom conundrum and subroza We didn't get very much. So we had to kind of create our own stories But once you know those kind of stories

[00:15:41] It changes the character a little bit in your eyes, right? So when you're watching her in an episode you're like, oh, that's why she's so emotional or that must hurt her That must be very important. Which is what we saw in star wars, you know

[00:15:55] So I did have these three questions that we both Had our answers to I decided to do these three because I like I said, I could just see Beverly in it and it just

[00:16:06] Was very exciting and one of your answers we got so stoked. So I need to talk about that one but But first I'm going ahead and talk about What show would Beverly be in and we both picked andor

[00:16:22] Which fun fact andor is actually one of gates mcfannon's favorite star wars shorts. She thought it was fantastic Perfect. So I know right I'm not sure if she's watched all the star wars shows, but she definitely was like I saw andor and it was brilliant

[00:16:36] And it was I'm sure she has All don't let those Yeah, it's will even William Shatner went to episode nine. All right, don't let them fool you. You know they did

[00:16:48] Her son jack was a fan of star wars. So she does know star wars. She didn't know star track, but she knew star wars But what why did you pick this for for beverly? I feel like Beverly just makes sense in andor having right a doctor

[00:17:06] You know, you take take the starfleet uniform off and you throw on some like rags and you know that dirty kind of tattooing like clothing and have her Be a doctor

[00:17:20] You know on a planet or on the flip side. You could have her be a scientist in the working on the death star like working for the actual empire Right, but there's I mean there's so many different things is

[00:17:32] You know you say that and it's like well would beverly really work for the empire and it's like well She probably would have been tricked into working for the empire because originally I would assume she would have probably been part of the Republic

[00:17:43] And then once the republic fell she just automatically started working for the empire which would put her in a little bit more of a Conflict of interest because she's that difficult situation

[00:17:56] Yeah, she's a good guy through and through like she's got the right morals. She's got you know For the most part like she's always got a good good head on her shoulders And I would think that you know in and or she

[00:18:10] Would be working for the empire but slowly would defect from the empire and help out the rebels I Can totally see her Just jumping in grabbing A gun a phaser rifle and just start Defending just defending anyone who needs it

[00:18:32] Right, right because beverly was always one to put everyone before herself right so She could just totally fit into this scenario Especially knowing that it was for a greater purpose to try and stop the empire And I mean and this show was so good like we said earlier

[00:18:56] It was nice to kind of step away from the skywalker saga and see What else everyone was going through and that's why rogue one To me is still The best star wars movie that they've done

[00:19:12] Just because it was different and it still ties in with the skywalker story, right? So I I think it I could have seen beverly like right there in the corner just ready to

[00:19:24] You know, yeah, I mean and you never know maybe she's like a friend of mon mothmas You know, she's maybe maybe she's alderinian and even though they're part of the empire They're you know working against the empire right right

[00:19:41] Now the next question I had was who would be beverly's bestie You gave me two answers and so I put them both up because I'm curious of what because they're two totally different answers So Tell me all about well

[00:20:01] so I think at first she would probably be really good friends with dr. Pershing because You know, they're they're both doctors. They're both scientists They both want to do work for the greater good at least for the most part pershing does and I think that's where their

[00:20:19] Bad for him to be honest. Yeah. Oh me too, but he's still like I don't know. He was so conflicted to me where it was like I just I just want to do my work no matter who I have to do it on

[00:20:31] And that's kind of what it sounds like uh bruce mattox Yeah, yeah, there you go Right. Yeah. Yeah, and so Yeah, I just I think that that would be where Where I'm honestly like I've written this story in my head of beverly being in star wars

[00:20:50] She would be like She would be part of the empire with pershing working in scientist stuff And then they would clash somehow because he wants to do his own thing but she's Really seeing the the lies of the empire and so right on her way out

[00:21:07] She steals a protocol droid and then that's like her uh her Was it who yang from from isoka? The the jedi training droid, you know, uh-huh. It'd be kind of like that

[00:21:20] Yeah, I'd be like that sassy droid that would be with her all the time that would give her advice or be able to translate for her When she's working on you know, if she's she's having to help someone that speaks a different language

[00:21:33] That she doesn't know then she can use that protocol droid to help You know to help them Right, right. So we kind of like I mean as much as bb8 was post droid

[00:21:45] It's more like a ray and bb8 relationship, right because yeah, he was helping her and then they would fight They would help each other and then you know, right? That's how it would that's how it would go down. But yeah, I could see that totally having you know

[00:22:01] That kind of buddy Which is kind of how You see 3po, you know anakin created him. Okay and That was his buddy right that was who was always with anakin when he was little and

[00:22:19] He was there through the whole the whole thing which I did I did enjoy that that aspect Seeing how he started with baby vader Yeah And and went up to see His children grow up, you know, right and he had no idea and had no idea. Yeah

[00:22:39] I think the only droid that never got his memory wiped was r2d2 So r2d2 would be that old man sitting around the campfire being like I could tell you some stories. I got some stories Exactly and then he's cursing along the way. Yeah

[00:22:56] That would be that would be r2. That's why my ringtone is literally uh r2's little beeping But I did have one of his screaming where he's going across and then oh, yeah, that's the wall. Yeah, it's just I love r2. That's my favorite Now I picked leah

[00:23:13] Oh, it's just because you know and here's the thing it's just because they're both bad ass women who have these Lea did grow up In a very privileged childhood, right? I mean the organas Treated her like a princess. She was everything to them

[00:23:30] But because of her origin, you know as we saw in obi won There was definitely some enemies, right? And of course, Beverly didn't she had some Great upbringing because she was with felicia howard, which was her grandmother But they both been through a lot man

[00:23:47] Like these women have gone through a hell and back and I can see them Totally being there for each other Because no matter what leah went through She always Always beat those odds and excelled and did better and put others first, right?

[00:24:06] Yeah, she did some stuff to to protect those that she loved same thing that beveley would have done Um, so I wanted to show real fast before I continue. So here's leslie on twitter saying hello And then here's tim howdy howdy howdy hello tim

[00:24:24] But yeah, I just figured this would been a really great friendship and I Loved Carrie fischer She just her attitude the way she just had no f's to give right? um

[00:24:41] And just also how open she was about mental health because mental health is just a huge i'm a huge afkin of mental health and She was so open and raw about it and it made me feel that

[00:24:55] It's okay to be open and raw about, you know, my own struggles And when she passed The hardest part was telling my daughter And that was because She just got into star wars

[00:25:11] And I had to let her know that yes the actress had passed away, but my daughter kind of knew she kind of looked at me She's like kary fischer died didn't she and I was like yes, sweetie. I'm so sorry And she burst into tears

[00:25:25] Falling her eyes out and i'm all like it's the people's princess Right of in star wars. This is who we we looked up into an adored and here i'm looking at my daughter reacting but I remember being her age and adjoining

[00:25:38] Leia and it was just this moment where it was like holding my kid and just like yeah We had a moment devastating for a lot of people for sure. She uh, she made a pretty big impact on the world

[00:25:52] She did man. She really did now. I do want to say Real quick that not only leia would have been her best friend, but she totally would have protected grogu At all costs, okay Absolutely that baby she would have been like hell in back will survive

[00:26:14] For this for this child like wouldn't most people I mean honestly, he's adorable like come on. Don't you touch grogu? Except for those little creatures who grogu kept hugging and they're like get off of me Oh, yeah

[00:26:30] Bust up laughing. Oh my gosh. I I think I like almost had a hernia. I was laughing so hard on that saying that was so great But yeah, she would totally be helping mando just We gotta save the child, you know, yeah, but um

[00:26:45] so my last question though was syth or jedi and You were starting to head into the jedi route But thank you changed your mind Which I thought This was pretty dang awesome because I could totally see gates mcfadden being a kick Night sister like

[00:27:10] You know what I mean? I feel like most doctors probably would be more on the night sister realm, you know like Because there's it's a little less

[00:27:22] Black and white, you know the night shoes have a little bit more of a gray area to play in I feel like and Which is very Beverly. Yeah, they can raise people from the dead if they need to so And

[00:27:35] They're helping people. Yeah, but again, I just I don't think she would choose to go either fully good or fully bad because To me she seems like someone that does the right thing no matter what the optics are and

[00:27:51] night sisters, of course they do a little more evil stuff, but You know some night sisters aren't that bad Right. Yeah, that is true and we've seen it with Beverly where she always went against the prime directive if she knew it was going to be hurting people Right

[00:28:07] Which you can kind of say the prime directive is very jedi Yeah, oh absolutely, right? So she would be like no, no, no, that's that's not gonna work for me So yeah, I could totally see her doing that now tim I said I like this. Yep Yeah ventris

[00:28:27] She's having her be a Morally gray like assajj ventris and that makes sense because assajj was a night sister too if i'm not mistaken I think so Um, but she and she did awful things and then she did some good things

[00:28:41] You kind of saw that in the bad batch that I reluctantly watched um, but you know assajj coming in there and showing how she uh How she'd kind of changed, you know, that's that would make a lot of sense Yeah, yeah, no it would there

[00:28:58] There are a lot of great characters because you know, we even saw it with the soka Okay, thanks tim There it is. Yeah, it was a night sister. Yes So We saw it with the soka That her moral compass was Was being tested Yeah, right

[00:29:16] Sandwich Beverly when it comes to a lot of things her moral compass was being tested on so many things and that's why bachard was so important because You know, there was a deleted scene and I just posted this on twitter

[00:29:27] Where she was saying if you could have seen the violence that I saw that people were willing to do to take our son She says yes, I think i'm losing my compass because There was just so much brutality Just to take jack

[00:29:41] That she was willing to do anything even murder vatic to stop this right You know and asoka She she she walked off. She cut her ties. She was just like I can't do this. I don't feel I can morally Continue

[00:29:59] With this training if this is the path that it's going to lead me on you know, so And I think that would have been the same with Beverly even if she was going down that path as a jedi Right, which just so happened to be my pick

[00:30:13] Yeah, she would have an issue With a lot of the decisions that they were making Yeah, I think I think she would be like a quaggon. She'd stand up like quaggon and be like What are we doing here guys?

[00:30:28] Yeah, why are we letting these people take control like what's going on? Why are we fighting a war like? exactly yeah, and Yeah, she would be the female quaggon jinn. I mean, I hope she wouldn't die the way he did but You mean like a hero?

[00:30:45] He died like a hero, but I was like I wanted more quaggon man. I like yeah, I know my The biobi one so Right, I took my step sound like I said to episode one and that that's all he's been able to talk about

[00:30:59] I really like that jedi that died. It's too bad I'm really sad that he died like even still it's been weeks now and he's like, you know I'm making him wait to watch episode two

[00:31:08] And he's like we gotta watch that suit. I want to see what happens with the jedi Yeah, oh you're like, oh boy Just wait Now do you like one or two better? episode That's a that's a trick question I think it is a trick question

[00:31:34] Yeah, man, they're both so good. I would have to say I probably like episode one more I don't know man because episode two had yoda fighting and that alone was I don't know the best scene of star wars for a long time. That is true. That is true

[00:31:54] Yeah, I'm like, I don't know seeing anakin's turn was You know the start of his turn to the dark side like Django fat, I mean episode two had the introduction of so many good characters and you know really started

[00:32:09] Going all in on the the fight scenes and the graphics and stuff I don't know. I still think darth mall was the best and yeah, you know, you know even jarger I still love jarger. I don't care what anybody says um You're a true fan, you know

[00:32:31] It's hard for me to pick I I would I would probably say episode two because of all the action because it was just so much fun right from the uh chase at the beginning trying to find the changeling to

[00:32:50] Django chasing obi-wan through the asteroid belt. I mean seeing the the clones like there was I would say I probably liked episode two better than one at this point

[00:33:03] Well tim agrees with you. He just says, you know remove that lovey-dovey stuff off naboo and put in the margeonosis battle and you got a Good movie. Absolutely. I have my nitpicks for both Anakin really annoyed the hell out of me in episode two Oh

[00:33:22] Because he annoyed me in both but you kind of looked past both of them Well, the thing is I'm like he's a little boy. I can get away with it

[00:33:29] But when he's a little bit older and like come on dude grow up. Let's just just crap the whole sand thing like just suck it up like come on And i'm like he's supposed to be darth vader

[00:33:39] What the hell but anyways and then he killed an entire race of tuskens I know yeah, then all of a sudden he goes on a rampage and then let's you know episode three

[00:33:50] Of course is the best set of all of them and he murdered children. So I was like, oh, there's the mater Now I see it Um tim says uh emo anakin gives way to

[00:34:04] Well, you can definitely tell they're related. They're very related. Absolutely. Yeah, it's it's can't miss it But I do want to go so to continue with the whole syth and um syth or jedi I did ask Our listeners what they thought so Any for your thoughts

[00:34:34] Syth or jedi poll results. So they picked Zero on the syth side. They were like no, wow not happening. Really? 59 for jedi And neither at 41. I think it came down to like 36 votes total So 15 for neither and like 21 for

[00:34:56] For jedi and I think it was a lot of sense for going like speaking of if she was an andor Being a doctor and stuff like it. It does make sense Yeah, yeah, exactly and I think too is just more of I'm going to assume

[00:35:14] It's just more because they see her being in that being a rebel scum right that she's here to to Help the cause in any way and she didn't need to be special in order to do it I know we've always made the jokes that Beverly is special

[00:35:27] But you know, some people are like, I hope she's not because That kind of would take away from the character a little bit If she had supernatural powers or had some, you know, six cents about her so that I do agree In in that aspect

[00:35:44] but yeah, a lot of people they're just I mean almost Almost 60 40. So, I mean it was it was pretty close. But yeah, not one person. They're like she would never ever enter the dark side Which is a very lay-up

[00:35:58] Even Luke touched the dark side every once in a while. So It could happen to anybody That's true. That's true. Yeah, but not leah. I don't think leah. She's just like, uh, these boys, man Yeah Yeah, she just slapped people around all the time Exactly

[00:36:18] She's like you guys stop it now As we're finishing this up, I did want to mention One more thing and you can chime in about this Gates and terry and the marvel universe I will be sitting down with tim

[00:36:38] To talk about gates being in the comics because she was queen marlena from he-man and then she became As we just saw at the end of x-men 97. She was You may call me mother eskani I thought that was her ever. That was her

[00:36:55] I lost my ever loving mind I didn't realize that that's uh, you know who that is right that character Okay Oh, yeah, yeah got some Huge role exactly So to start it off real fast though with terry

[00:37:15] Um everyone I mean, I'm excited for terry. I think this is a great opportunity He is going to be the executive producer and showrunner of the new vision disney plus series that's gonna come out And I believe they said there it's gonna be probably released in 2026

[00:37:34] So he is knee deep in getting this going Yeah, yeah, and it's supposed to be after Or like right after one division So I've been waiting for that Yes And terry is going to be at the helm with this one

[00:37:51] I I know everyone's so bummed because everyone's been pushing for legacy but of course He can't wait around forever guys and the thing is is just that's How that's just how things roll I have a lot of questions about vision

[00:38:07] Especially because I think deadpool wolverine is about to blow up the multiverse And so is is the vision story gonna stick in this multiverse or is this gonna I mean

[00:38:19] There's a lot that could happen between now and 2026 when it comes to this whole multiverse thing. So right, right interesting and yeah, and terry he has a wide mind and just really knows how to put The depth of these characters on screen, right? we were

[00:38:44] So excited what we saw on bachard and got huge praises Um, see tim here says, okay, let's start the show. I'm here. That's oh, that's row. I saw it was tim for a second

[00:38:59] All right, okay, we got to start over you just showed up. Okay. So josh, how did you get into podcasting? Just It's a long story No, it's it's crazy because my I have this big theory about the x-men 97 and the greater mcu

[00:39:17] Um, it's all it's like I would say it's pretty possible that if gates mc fadden is playing the voice of that character She could end up being in a live action mcu movie soon enough I I really think x-men 97 will

[00:39:34] Cross over into live action and that's kind of how they're gonna do stuff um And that would be Because here's the thing and real quick row. Love you too, man We made a joke

[00:39:48] There was a screenshot and I think tim was part of this where it looked we were like But uh charles xavier goes to the future and is helping, you know Older rogue do whatever because she had the white in the front of her

[00:40:03] And so I was like man if gates mc fadden was ever in marvel. I would lose my ever loving mind and She did kind of mention something at a convention that she was in talks with marvel

[00:40:17] I was like, oh my gosh x-men 97's coming out. Oh my gosh. Okay. Is she gonna be in it? I don't know I said so as I was watching the episodes, I was just kind of waiting and anticipating and of course

[00:40:26] Mother iskani comes out. You know like yeah, and I'm like Just like hyperventilating if people don't know Mother of scony is an older version of rachel summers Who is the daughter of cyclops and gene gray in an ultra universe? So

[00:40:46] This like you said it's gonna be huge in season two. She's gonna have this huge role I'm So excited I my husband didn't finish 97. It's like you got to finish it. You got to finish it. You better watch it

[00:40:58] And he's like well i'm an episode five hurry up and by the way episode fights you're gonna cry, but just Just do it just do it He hasn't recovered from that but And I still haven't recovered either

[00:41:13] No gambit was my brother and my mom's favorite character and when I told my mom about the show and I was like It was so good. She's like is gambit in it because you know, he's my favorite. I was like I lie

[00:41:25] He's he's in it right? I have the uh, I have the issue of x-men where gambit was first introduced That's like my My brother had those 10 inch Those 10 inch the boy is the giant. Oh

[00:41:41] Every single one he had storm he had gambit. He had wolverine. He had every single one and then he gave them away What Oh I have forgiven him about that yet, but I know call me for money again, bro Right, right. I'm all like I disown you now

[00:41:59] Tim says I think there's a good chance she would be in a live action mother isconic would be huge I I really really in like in The she would from the bottom of my heart

[00:42:09] I think x-men 97 is going to be the way that x-men comes into the mcu They have teased it in dr. Strange in miss marvel um, they They keep playing the x-men theme from the comic or from that show like It's uh, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen

[00:42:29] and the head director for 97 was like she delivered Like I don't think gates has ever spread x-men comic book I think she has read comics obviously but not sure about x-men

[00:42:41] She probably didn't know too much about this character, but they were just like well, this is the character This is what's happening and she just went got it and went for it and just did it 110 percent even my four lines. I got this exactly exactly and so

[00:42:56] I I pulled tim and I was just like We're gonna talk about gates in comics because this is huge and I really need to talk about it. So I'm super super stoked. I can't wait for season two. They said they're in production

[00:43:08] They just started but of course this stuff takes time. So we don't have a date for season two yet Tim does say Deadpool 3 kicks open the door for the x-men. I think this is how we get them. Yeah, I mean there's

[00:43:19] This is the best way to do it. That's why they've been hiding in the background for so long This is this is Deadpool's gonna bring him in for sure You guys are making me way too excited. I was like he is marvel jesus. So

[00:43:32] He's here to save the universe He is he is oh my gosh, you know what would be amazing is like, you know Terry is now doing the vision television shows and then what if they decide to give him to do

[00:43:43] The x-men movie and gates is in it and I'll be like oh a star trek for union That'd be I would love that that would be awesome so But yeah, that's I just wanted to mention that because I've been so excited about this and

[00:43:58] I'm not gonna be excited about it. I'm gonna be excited about it. And I'm gonna be excited about this and I'm gonna be excited about this and I'm gonna be excited about this and And then

[00:44:12] If Beverly crusher can, you know be an x-men she could also be in star wars that she I want her in doctor who like just put her Just put her anywhere like seriously

[00:44:28] of podcast who is in the audience right now and we are going to talk about Far Beyond the Stars from DS9 and what would Beverly do? I am very excited. I think this is a very, very good episode.

[00:44:42] It's honestly, and Avery Brooks was brilliant in this but I feel Beverly would have some thoughts about how this went down so I can't wait to sit with Ro and talk about it. Yes Ro, that is you there. But yeah, I'm kind of excited about this one.

[00:45:05] I have a couple other episodes in June that I'm excited about. Not only did I say I'm going to be sitting with Tim to talk about Gates and being in the comics but also I'm going to be sitting

[00:45:16] with one of our favorite cosplayers, Erin, and we are going to discuss season three of Picard a year later because when we were reviewing it as it was happening, we had a lot of stuff to say

[00:45:28] from what we first saw but as we've rewatched it and rewatched it and kind of really got into the depth of it all, we have more things to say. Also Ro did say I've been to the future. You guys

[00:45:43] are onto something. This is just the first step and he was tired of six movies so good. I'm glad. You can give me a little bit more spoilers later on if you can but you know what,

[00:45:57] Josh, this was lots of fun. Heck yeah. I enjoyed it so much. Thanks for hanging out and inviting me and I almost said thanks for coming on. Yeah. It's just, you're just trying to say it right?

[00:46:10] It just comes out naturally. Yeah. I wanted to quickly just put a little plug out there if you don't mind. No please, I was about to say that. Tell everyone where they can find you and

[00:46:23] what's happening and just find me. Yeah, absolutely. You can find me anywhere on any of the socials, just search twistmyarm podcast. I just found out yesterday that if you go into TikTok and

[00:46:32] just type in twist, I'm the first person to show up and then same Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, those are the best places to find me. You can listen to any of my episodes anywhere you listen to podcasts but next week I am going back to the Quest Me realm

[00:46:49] and we're starting our Acolyte reviews. So those episodes come out on Tuesday or Wednesday and we're going to do our live review shows on Thursday nights. It's going to be a real quick turnaround.

[00:47:01] So Ro is actually going to be on June 13th and Jesse here is actually going to be on June 27th so I'm really excited for that. We have a really good lineup of guests and if you just search twistmyarm podcast on YouTube, subscribe to that channel and

[00:47:20] you'll get notified anytime that we go live which will be Thursdays for the next about month and a half. Ro goes, I'm everywhere. He are. Oh my goodness. Can't get enough of the podcasting. I get it. I know. I know. It's fun. Like we were saying earlier,

[00:47:39] this is why we started podcasting. We love talking with other people about different things. We're crossing the streams. I'm going to probably somehow bring Beverly Crusher into it. I think I bought Beverly Crusher and when I reviewed with you with Mandalorian.

[00:47:52] So it's okay. Yeah, I'm pretty cheated. I probably, it would surprise me if I didn't. She ended up being a Mandalorian by the end of that episode. I think so. I think so. I'd probably

[00:48:04] mentioned that she would be protecting Grogu at all costs in the same, this is the same idea, right? I think I did episode three on that one. It was where he had his cute little armor

[00:48:17] on his chest when he were dying. Yeah. He looked so frickin' adorable but episode five felt good to me. So I can't wait to see what that episode is. Tim says,

[00:48:29] talk nerdy to me and we will. We will, baby. Don't worry about that. So, but yeah, I'm excited. I can't wait to be doing that with you. You could also find Crusher Convo on Instagram

[00:48:43] and threads. And I've also decided to do a Buy Me a Coffee which is right over there in the corner. If you can really scan that, I'm not sure how well it works. You can go to my website

[00:48:55] at CrusherConvo.com where you will be able to find all of the videos and Instagram pictures and things like that. Are you testing it out? Is it working? Sure is. Good to go. Perfect.

[00:49:07] Perfect. Sounds good. So yeah, if you guys want to buy me a coffee, I will greatly appreciate it because I have also decided to clip this up and put it on your favorite podcast app. So,

[00:49:16] Spotify, Apple, Good Pods. If you can't make it on these lives or don't have time to watch the videos, you could definitely hear me on there and I have great guests coming up and I have a couple of

[00:49:29] very exciting things for July which would be also the two year coming up for Crusher Convo. But I know I'm really excited. Can't wait to share that with everybody. But yeah, Josh,

[00:49:43] always a pleasure. Thank you so much. I'm, you know, I did want to call you the number one Wesley Crusher fan because when I asked you why you love Beverly Crusher, you're like,

[00:49:55] what? Say I love her but I do love Wesley and I was like, I love Wes man. Will Wheaton. He's the man. I was really hoping to see more of him in Picard. Maybe they'll do a series with

[00:50:09] him or something. I want Wesley back in everything. Someone was mentioning that like we didn't see him Picard, we didn't see him in Discovery but they're like, Stranger New Worlds, Lower Decks, anywhere just come on. Just give us some Wesley. I'm all like put him on Doctor Who,

[00:50:24] it'll make sense. Yeah, I mean he is a time traveler. He could show up whenever so. This is exactly what I'm saying. Timing, whining, Wibbly, wobbly situations, time and space. That's just how it works. So, but anyways, thank you so much. Thank you,

[00:50:39] Leslie from beginning saying hello to Tim and Ro for hanging out with us today. You guys could check them off over at Scarif podcast and FSF Popcast on YouTube and Twitter where they're,

[00:50:55] I think they're on all social medias and love their videos. So, but yeah guys, thank you so much and we will talk soon. Cross your out.